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EFN · 2008-05-08 04:35:53

Lately there has been quite a commotion in this forum now that we have "almost" stable WWE WM6.0 and 6.1.

But those ROMs are not without issues and some of them are as follows:

Qwerty WWE_RUS WM6.0 With EFN Tweaks:
- Very unstable GPRS/3G connectivity - connects fine the first time but getting erratic after losing network signal - unable to resume data connection properly. Sometimes it work sometime don't
- Runs on Russian locale - no big deal but could cause very minor inconviniences with email fonts (rarely)
- Some other very minor issues

WWE WM6.1 with EFN Tweaks:
- Very unstable GPRS/3G connectivity - connects fine the first time but getting erratic after losing network signal - unable to resume data connection properly. Sometimes it work sometime don't
- Still encountering SBs even after tweaks (rarely)
- Problematic ActiveSync problem (rare but it's very irritating)

In short, I have already begun my own kitchen to re-engineer Qwerty's ROM. The decision to do WM6.0 is because WM6.0 seems to offer better battery lifespan and very sturdy against SBs. At this stage, I have successfully fixed the GPRS/3G stability issues (hopefully). Using ActiveSync, Wireless MGR and components from a very stable CHS 6.0 I found at abother chinese forum. But there is still a lot of testing that need to be done and a lot more cooking trials to get a solid final build. I am trying to get threaded message into the WWE 6.0 as well but this has failed so far.

For now, my focus will be on developing a "Plain Jane" WWE 6.0, as lite as possible so expect a very simple WWE 6.0 to come out very soon.

If you guys have any idea you would like to share, please do so. I gonna need all the help I can find. Truthfully, the O2 Xda Flame is a wonderful PDA Phone. I have used quite a number of PDAs before but none of them can really impress me like the Flame. Now all it need now is a very stable and robust ROM and we shall prevail!!

PS:
I am using FlameKitchen Alpha4, if you know of any better cooking tool please do inform me.

Last edited by EFN (2008-05-08 04:37:15)

flame on o2 · 2008-05-08 05:50:44

"I have used quite a number of PDAs before but none of them can really impress me like the Flame."

Can you tell me what it is that impresses you EFN? Not trying to be a smartalic I really like to know.
Maybe than I will just keep the flame and not sell it. I have a t-mobile shadow coming soon to replace the flame.
Its easier and faster to use so I will use it more instead of spending so much time tweaking it to make it run well.

I did a test on the flame, I know that the big screen kills battery. But, I UNDER clocked the flame to 416 megahertz and the battery lasted way much longer.
I would say close to twice as long. And it runs pretty good at that speed and even plays movies well. Accept on parts that are ACTION than it runs a little slow.
So for movies I will need a second battery, but for things like streaming music or listening to music it does very well.
Worth doing the underclock because today the flames actually lasted way longer than normal. Before, even if I only used the flame LIGHTLY through out the day the battery would be almost dead by the evening.

Anyway, EFN can you share what impresses you about the flame. I too have had many pda's and pda/phones. But the flame has not impressed me yet.
Maybe its because even if it has 2gb internal I cannot hook up to a pc with a FAST usb connection.
Maybe beause even tho it has a vga screen I cannot use it kind of bright and truly enjoy the beauty of it because the battery will die fast.
Maybe because it has a radio but I have use a headset to get a good reception AND it will also kill the battery.
Maybe because it has a nice video chip but who really makes programs for its use?
Maybe because it has a pretty FAST processor but I have to underclock it just to make it last through the day.
Maybe because it has BT but its pretty buggy, I like to use stereo headsets and many times it will not find the headset. I will have to go to settings and choose the "use a BT stereo headset....".
Maybe because it has a 2gb internal storage but only can use a 2gb card WITHOUT issues,so total 4gb,YIKES. Other pda/phones have 128-256 but MAN they can use 8GB CARDS. Even my wifes samsung t639 read my sandisk 8gb card! So whats the big deal having 2gb internal storage????
Maybe because when I heard it was a "XDA" I automatically thought ROMS,ROMS,ROMS and turns out that even xda-developers don't want to make a SMALL forum for it. Which makes sense since the flame is not really a TRUE "XDA". Why have a forum for it when their roms wont work on it.
Maybe because .......... well you get the picture....

Last edited by flame on o2 (2008-05-08 05:58:15)

terrykb · 2008-05-08 06:00:21

flame on o2 wrote:
I UNDER clocked the flame to 416 megahertz and the battery lasted way much longer.
I would say close to twice as long. And it runs pretty good at that speed and even plays movies well. Accept on parts that are ACTION than it runs a little slow.
So for movies I will need a second battery, but for things like streaming music or listening to music it does very well.
Worth doing the underclock because today the flames actually lasted way longer than normal. Before, even if I only used the flame LIGHTLY through out the day the battery would be almost dead by the evening.

Can you please share with us (me) how you under clocked the flame? - I dare say if I searched i could find the info but I am very busy and a bit lazy(!) if it is possible for you to tell me direct I'm sure it will help others who may also be interested. i have never gotten into over/under clocking my pc or pda so a bit green in that area. Thanks.
For travelling with Flame it sounds like a good idea, when charging can sometimes be more problematic.

@EFN. I thought i should let you know that since i stopped my automatic email checking on my pop gmail every 30 mins (now Manual is checked) I have NO SB problems - nearly 2 days Diginet provide faily stable although sometimes weak connection that has not caused any other problems that I am aware of. I am really happy to have 6.1 working on my flame. Battery drain is better than with WM5! but I am interested in under clocking suggestion as usually i do not need speed.

Last edited by terrykb (2008-05-08 06:12:17)

nikhilraut1985 · 2008-05-08 07:06:54

@terrykb friend i use pocket hack master from wizcode to clock-overclock. Isually keep my flame at 624MHZ.THE is stable at this speed
you can download the trial verson from www.wizcode.com u can also down clock as low as 104MHZ AND MAXIMUM OF 624MHZ for FLAME.

@EFN Friend personally i did not get disconnect issue with gprs,my service provider provides only gprs and no 3G.
you can try this go to start menu-->Settings-->connections-->Connections-->advanced tab-->select nerwork then
choose the 3G nerwork that connects u to the internet both for programs\connecting to internet and programs connecting to private network.
my gprs connects automatically when disconnected by a call.

Last edited by nikhilraut1985 (2008-05-08 07:12:21)

Hans · 2008-05-08 08:03:15

flame on o2 wrote:
"I have used quite a number of PDAs before but none of them can really impress me like the Flame."

Can you tell me what it is that impresses you EFN? Not trying to be a smartalic I really like to know.
Maybe than I will just keep the flame and not sell it. I have a t-mobile shadow coming soon to replace the flame.
Its easier and faster to use so I will use it more instead of spending so much time tweaking it to make it run well.

I did a test on the flame, I know that the big screen kills battery. But, I UNDER clocked the flame to 416 megahertz and the battery lasted way much longer.
I would say close to twice as long. And it runs pretty good at that speed and even plays movies well. Accept on parts that are ACTION than it runs a little slow.
So for movies I will need a second battery, but for things like streaming music or listening to music it does very well.
Worth doing the underclock because today the flames actually lasted way longer than normal. Before, even if I only used the flame LIGHTLY through out the day the battery would be almost dead by the evening.

Anyway, EFN can you share what impresses you about the flame. I too have had many pda's and pda/phones. But the flame has not impressed me yet.
Maybe its because even if it has 2gb internal I cannot hook up to a pc with a FAST usb connection.
Maybe beause even tho it has a vga screen I cannot use it kind of bright and truly enjoy the beauty of it because the battery will die fast.
Maybe because it has a radio but I have use a headset to get a good reception AND it will also kill the battery.
Maybe because it has a nice video chip but who really makes programs for its use?
Maybe because it has a pretty FAST processor but I have to underclock it just to make it last through the day.
Maybe because it has BT but its pretty buggy, I like to use stereo headsets and many times it will not find the headset. I will have to go to settings and choose the "use a BT stereo headset....".
Maybe because it has a 2gb internal storage but only can use a 2gb card WITHOUT issues,so total 4gb,YIKES. Other pda/phones have 128-256 but MAN they can use 8GB CARDS. Even my wifes samsung t639 read my sandisk 8gb card! So whats the big deal having 2gb internal storage????
Maybe because when I heard it was a "XDA" I automatically thought ROMS,ROMS,ROMS and turns out that even xda-developers don't want to make a SMALL forum for it. Which makes sense since the flame is not really a TRUE "XDA". Why have a forum for it when their roms wont work on it.
Maybe because .......... well you get the picture....

-- You are behind the times man! I use an 8GB SDHC card and when I want to use WiFi I uninstall the driver and do a soft reset. The big thing about the 2GB is that you can throw every program at it and never haver to worry about slowing down by running them from the SD card. When the Flame came out 8GB SDHC cards did not exist yet! What do you want, we got them to work, anyway!
---video processor: yes it is useless, thanks to NVidea. But that still puts it on par with all the other phones out there!
---ROMs: Of course it is not a "real" XDA, the Flame is not made by HTC -- that is the qualification for getting a subforum at XDA-developers. Built quality is superior to the 3 HTC phones I have had.
---Ever heard of the bigger batteries, an extra battery, or a backup power device? The big battery gets me through 2 days with heavy usage and would answer almost all of your above problems.
---Screen size: well, if you want to be squinting at the tiny screens on other phones, be our guest
---on my Flame the WM5 runs with no problems at all and no tweaking. If you want to get the most out of any device you have to tweak. If you just want to use it stick to WM5
---yes, the bluetooth issue. Well, we will talk in a month or two when you have discovered everything you are missing on your new phone.

All devices have some issues, if you want a big VGA screen the Flame is the ONLY choice. If you don't, why did you buy it in the first place? you lost me there, already.

Last edited by Hans (2008-05-08 08:05:08)

shaileshashar · 2008-05-08 08:52:06

Ok lets get back on topic and discuss Re-engineering WM6.0 WWE.

@EFN please try to address bluetooth issue also besides SDHC, MMS and SB.

Also for Bluetooth issue, there is a very interesting key in registry:
HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Bluetooth\sys\DisableAutoSuspend

I googled for 'DisableAutoSuspend' and found out that there are people with other devices which have solved the bluetooth disconnecting when suspended.

TourisT · 2008-05-08 12:34:30

I tried that BT registry tweak
But it only makes flame to stay on all time when BT is connected
so you need to use a charger for the flame f.ex into the car (when using car BT hands free)

EFN · 2008-05-08 15:37:05

flame on o2 wrote:
"I have used quite a number of PDAs before but none of them can really impress me like the Flame."

Can you tell me what it is that impresses you EFN? Not trying to be a smartalic I really like to know.
Maybe than I will just keep the flame and not sell it. I have a t-mobile shadow coming soon to replace the flame.
Its easier and faster to use so I will use it more instead of spending so much time tweaking it to make it run well.

I did a test on the flame, I know that the big screen kills battery. But, I UNDER clocked the flame to 416 megahertz and the battery lasted way much longer.
I would say close to twice as long. And it runs pretty good at that speed and even plays movies well. Accept on parts that are ACTION than it runs a little slow.
So for movies I will need a second battery, but for things like streaming music or listening to music it does very well.
Worth doing the underclock because today the flames actually lasted way longer than normal. Before, even if I only used the flame LIGHTLY through out the day the battery would be almost dead by the evening.

Anyway, EFN can you share what impresses you about the flame. I too have had many pda's and pda/phones. But the flame has not impressed me yet.
Maybe its because even if it has 2gb internal I cannot hook up to a pc with a FAST usb connection.
Maybe beause even tho it has a vga screen I cannot use it kind of bright and truly enjoy the beauty of it because the battery will die fast.
Maybe because it has a radio but I have use a headset to get a good reception AND it will also kill the battery.
Maybe because it has a nice video chip but who really makes programs for its use?
Maybe because it has a pretty FAST processor but I have to underclock it just to make it last through the day.
Maybe because it has BT but its pretty buggy, I like to use stereo headsets and many times it will not find the headset. I will have to go to settings and choose the "use a BT stereo headset....".
Maybe because it has a 2gb internal storage but only can use a 2gb card WITHOUT issues,so total 4gb,YIKES. Other pda/phones have 128-256 but MAN they can use 8GB CARDS. Even my wifes samsung t639 read my sandisk 8gb card! So whats the big deal having 2gb internal storage????
Maybe because when I heard it was a "XDA" I automatically thought ROMS,ROMS,ROMS and turns out that even xda-developers don't want to make a SMALL forum for it. Which makes sense since the flame is not really a TRUE "XDA". Why have a forum for it when their roms wont work on it.
Maybe because .......... well you get the picture....

No one can justify why something is good or bad for anybody. If you look carefully, Xda Flame was not included in Xda-Developers simply because it is not a HTC device. Apparently any Arima PDAs are not making any significant appearences in Xda-Developers - so one can say that Xda Flame is being sidelined due to differences in origin.

Anyway, currently I have in my hand a spanking new HTC Kaiser. It has everything (looks, features, glam, bling etc) anyone can ask for. But my heart lies with the Flame. I trully appreciate the generous 3.6" VGA display, my profession require me to read emails and documents almost on 24X7 so that big display does helped a lot to make things a lot more easy and fun. Before deciding on a Flame, I did consider HTC Universal & Athena but I am a hardcore stylus user and does not fancy using thumb or small hardware keyboard. For a 3.6" PDA, the Flame profile can be considered "small" compared to HTC Universal & Athena. Yes Flame does have minuses here and there (weak battery etc) but so does any other hardware that I have used before - nothing is perfect. It's all about how much we can live with the inconviniences. I am a hardcore gadget freak as well, so the opportunity to tweak and mod the Flame is a blessing to me. Be reminded that the Flame is a "work tool" for me and it did a splendid job at that, I am getting easy to read emails through Exchange Push mail, MSN hotmail, web browsing, music, videos, DoomGLES etc.

Ok enuff ranting. Back to the original thread. I will look into BT issue as well and see if this can be improved. I myself donn't use BT headset but I'll try to get one and do some tests.

jaikben · 2008-05-08 17:51:59

off topic:

great device, I had a htc herald and a eten m700 before, both didn't impress me with : video's/ games/ screen quality. Recently i got a flame and for me this is the best device I ever had, great games( oke not many but the ones that are out are great ). great screens, allmost all emu's work without overclocking!! I can play genesis/snes etc on my tv with tv out, what more does a gamer want lol. Everybody I showing that I am playing quake3 online with 9 /10 poeple with 10-30 fps is impressed by this phone lol

flame on o2 · 2008-05-08 18:27:58

terrykb wrote:
flame on o2 wrote:
I UNDER clocked the flame to 416 megahertz and the battery lasted way much longer.
I would say close to twice as long. And it runs pretty good at that speed and even plays movies well. Accept on parts that are ACTION than it runs a little slow.
So for movies I will need a second battery, but for things like streaming music or listening to music it does very well.
Worth doing the underclock because today the flames actually lasted way longer than normal. Before, even if I only used the flame LIGHTLY through out the day the battery would be almost dead by the evening.
Can you please share with us (me) how you under clocked the flame? - I dare say if I searched i could find the info but I am very busy and a bit lazy(!) if it is possible for you to tell me direct I'm sure it will help others who may also be interested. i have never gotten into over/under clocking my pc or pda so a bit green in that area. Thanks.
For travelling with Flame it sounds like a good idea, when charging can sometimes be more problematic.

@EFN. I thought i should let you know that since i stopped my automatic email checking on my pop gmail every 30 mins (now Manual is checked) I have NO SB problems - nearly 2 days Diginet provide faily stable although sometimes weak connection that has not caused any other problems that I am aware of. I am really happy to have 6.1 working on my flame. Battery drain is better than with WM5! but I am interested in under clocking suggestion as usually i do not need speed.

I use XCPUScalar which works great on the flame.
I did another test this morning setting it on 312MHz and the battery is WAY SO MUCH better,try it!
For programs more intense I set it to 416MHz and for things like movies I set it to 512MHz or leave it at 416.
If Im in bed wanting to watch a movie a it I will set it to 520 or 624MHz since Im charging. Leave it at 312MHz while on standby and you will love the flame more.

flame on o2 · 2008-05-08 19:04:34

@ HANS

- You are behind the times man! I use an 8GB SDHC card and when I want to use WiFi I uninstall the driver and do a soft reset. The big thing about the 2GB is that you can throw every program at it and never haver to worry about slowing down by running them from the SD card. When the Flame came out 8GB SDHC cards did not exist yet! What do you want, we got them to work, anyway!

HA HA, I'M behind times?? You have to UNINSTALL and soft reset to get wifi and vice versa for the 8gb card,haha. They made the flame for you man. Also, I have installed TONS of software on the 2gb internal, BUT when something goes wrong and it DID/DOES plenty of times you have to hard reset and guess what happens to all that work? GONE. And please don't even mention backing up the 1.5 MB of programs and other stuff cause that is crazy. AND the best of the restore programs do not REALLY restore perfectly,specially on the flame, trust me I know, I been there and done that. Also, I got the 8gb to work with the flame by doing the crazy install soft reset but the mp3's and some avi fiels would not play well or even show up in programs like core player which is the best player out there. So to ME that is not what I would consider a good "patch".

---video processor: yes it is useless, thanks to NVidea. But that still puts it on par with all the other phones out there!

I agree and will add that it plays movies close to dells famous pda's which I like very much.

---ROMs: Of course it is not a "real" XDA, the Flame is not made by HTC -- that is the qualification for getting a subforum at XDA-developers. Built quality is superior to the 3 HTC phones I have had.

Why even call it an xda, oh wait, to get people to buy it. Just like the " i" in everything else to get people to think its like having an iphone.

---Ever heard of the bigger batteries, an extra battery, or a backup power device? The big battery gets me through 2 days with heavy usage and would answer almost all of your above problems.

HAHA again, ever heard of SAY NO to BULK? Why on earth would I want to make the flame bigger/heavier to carry around? Or even carrying a spare battery is ridiculous to ME.
The problem is that they made the flame wrong end of story. Look at the jasjar it has a vga screen and a 520MHz and the battery would last me twice as long than the flame doing the same things. And I would leave it at 520MHz. And incase you mention that the flame is more powerful, I also had the HTC Athena which is VERY powerful and the battery would be HARD to kill. THATS the way to make devices!

---Screen size: well, if you want to be squinting at the tiny screens on other phones, be our guest

I dont, but WHAT choice do I have? I HOPE EFN can make a miracle and get wm6 to make the flame work with ease.

---on my Flame the WM5 runs with no problems at all and no tweaking. If you want to get the most out of any device you have to tweak. If you just want to use it stick to WM5

Get the MOST of a device? I just want it to work when I need it to without worrying which song will jump,skip, which movie will be recognize, when will it sleep and not wake up ..etc.
I should NOT have to do any "tweaking" for that and more. WM5 is also buggy but I do agree its better for now than wm6.

---yes, the bluetooth issue. Well, we will talk in a month or two when you have discovered everything you are missing on your new phone.

No clue what you mean, but if you mean that the shadow will have issues than I can say this. I have tried the shadow for 3 days and loved the SOLID performance. I can listen to STREAMING music for HOURS AND HOURS and the batery will be at 50%. BT ALWAYS hooks up as it shood and wifi matches or beats the flame with its performace and signal strength. Losts of people are reporting bad baterry life when used while looking at the screen like readin and such. But I think its because HTC made the phone so people wont complaint that the screen is not readable outdoors. So they did not include a setting to lower the light. Its like having the screen on the flame a little passed the middle mark. So with that stupid decision by htc the battery suffers. But not anything like the flame, of course it has smaller everything...... And if you care, I returned the shadow because it was a "test" to see if I liked it. I wanted to buy one outright to keep free from contract.

All devices have some issues, if you want a big VGA screen the Flame is the ONLY choice. If you don't, why did you buy it in the first place? you lost me there, already.

I bought it cause it said "XDA" so I figured it would be like the other XDA devices like the blue angel which I loved. I thought that swaping a rom like wm6 would be butter. I did NOT find this forum until 2 days I had the flame. I bought it on pulse BUT I thought it was an HTC XDA device. And I thought it would be a simple fix with a cab file to get an 8gb card to work with this flame. Yes thers a "patch" but it does not work as it works on other devices.

Dont get me to wrong hans, I would LOVE to keep the flame if a good wm6 rom comes up. Again, hope efn can do it.

Now,lets please end this and get back on topic, I should have PM'D EFN with my last post to have avoided things. I just wanted HIS opinion (which he answered nicely) so pm would have been better,sorry.

flame on o2 · 2008-05-08 19:17:40

@EFN

No one can justify why something is good or bad for anybody. If you look carefully, Xda Flame was not included in Xda-Developers simply because it is not a HTC device. Apparently any Arima PDAs are not making any significant appearences in Xda-Developers - so one can say that Xda Flame is being sidelined due to differences in origin.

Anyway, currently I have in my hand a spanking new HTC Kaiser. It has everything (looks, features, glam, bling etc) anyone can ask for. But my heart lies with the Flame. I trully appreciate the generous 3.6" VGA display, my profession require me to read emails and documents almost on 24X7 so that big display does helped a lot to make things a lot more easy and fun. Before deciding on a Flame, I did consider HTC Universal & Athena but I am a hardcore stylus user and does not fancy using thumb or small hardware keyboard. For a 3.6" PDA, the Flame profile can be considered "small" compared to HTC Universal & Athena. Yes Flame does have minuses here and there (weak battery etc) but so does any other hardware that I have used before - nothing is perfect. It's all about how much we can live with the inconviniences. I am a hardcore gadget freak as well, so the opportunity to tweak and mod the Flame is a blessing to me. Be reminded that the Flame is a "work tool" for me and it did a splendid job at that, I am getting easy to read emails through Exchange Push mail, MSN hotmail, web browsing, music, videos, DoomGLES etc.

Thanks, you made the right choice if you like the stylus better. But the Universal was nice when I had it, it was like a mini laptop and awsome for emails. I loved the keyboard,it was one of the nicest and easiest to type on next to the sony ux50,Universal being better to type on. To watch a movie simply set it down and flip up the screen and adjust the position and enjoy a movie, really cool. If I would have found a Universal here locally I would have bought that one. My last one died when it fell the 3rd time on the floor (solid device,still worked but just was not the same after the 3rd HARD drop).

The Athena was wonderful but was not so good as a phone,even with a BT headset. Sold it and moved on.

Oh, I'm a gadget freak too and like to tweak. But I like when I tweak something and it works than I tweak something else.

Btw EFN. If you could somehow add this to wm6 it will make the flame shine. Make a cab that will show different MHZ settings in the power advance setting option tab.
Even better would be to make the flame auto scale certain program and always use 312MHz while on standby. Than we will see the battery last longer MUCH longer.

I'm no programmer so I do not know if that would be possible. I might just buy XCPUScalar if I keep the flame.

flame on o2 · 2008-05-08 19:50:45

For those interested I found an old cab that scales the procesor and its FREE.
I'm trying it now with the flame but if you want to try now do a search for autostep.cab
The app has worked on most all pocket pc's I have had. Once installed click the app TWICE.
The first time it launches the app the second you can choose what speed you want.
It gives in MHz, 208, 312, 416, 520. If it goes well today this app should be in wm6 EFN.
I will report tonight the good and the bad.

flame on o2 · 2008-05-08 20:05:01

Here's the link to autostep, scroll down and click on the link. You dont need to register,I THINK.

http://pdaphonehome.com/forums/samsung- … ility.html

REMEMBER to set the CPU performace to AUTO in the power settings of the flame.

EFN, so far the app makes the flame move pretty quick set at 208MHz! And TCPMP has confirmed that the MHz speeds that is set with autostep is on spot.
This is a very SIMPLE app like the wm6 version you want to make "simple." AND, it will save alot of the battery.

I'm testing it now playing ROBOTS which is a 1:30 minutes movie. Set on 208MHz and playing the movie on 16:9 and using video driver GAPI.
Screen light set to the 3rd bar from left.
Lets see far the battery drains from 100%.

flame on o2 · 2008-05-08 21:30:22

Okay, movie is ove and a 1:30 minute movie took the battery down 30%.
Now I'm going to stream music through wifi and see how much an hour will drain the battery.

I have to say that with autostep the flame runs GREAT at 312MHz! No need to run it at 500MHz for normal day things.
This is going to save the battery big time.

I hope its okay to post this here in your thread EFN. IU just think tht if all keeps going well this autostep app NEEDS to be include in ANY wm5-6 rom.

Autostep was made by a guy name Dave back in the days of the samsung i700. The i700 battery was really bad and performance and this little app helped greatly.
I think the flame needs something like this. Autostep makes the flame run great on 312MHz where as the other program does not at the same speed.

If you guys try the app please report ho its doing on your flame!

lastnikita · 2008-05-08 22:43:17

nice, but the movie is playing fine at that speed ? what resolution is it ?

gmontem · 2008-05-09 00:51:43

My Flame (Qwerty WM6 + EFN fixes) always hangs if I select anything faster than 208MHz. I lost count to how many times I rebooted the device to try again.

flame on o2 · 2008-05-09 00:52:34

lastnikita wrote:
nice, but the movie is playing fine at that speed ? what resolution is it ?

Its VGA 640x480. Setting the speed to 312 plays the movie in FULL SCREEN nicely! Put the screen on widescreen and plays even better.
Try autostep you wont regret it!

Anyways, I got the following results:

Battery fully charged to 5%.

- 1:30 minutes of video with screen on 3 steps up from left to brighten the screen
- 1:00 of CONSTANT streaming music using resco radio (battery HUG!). Could have been better if I used core player but I still need to save my radio stations so coreplayer can play them.
1:00 minutes using wifi for about 40 minutes to browse the web. The rest of the time I played microquad (childish game but I like it) and streetduel and made/received some calls.

Note: I switched to 312MHz when playing streetduel. Its a heavier graphic game than microquad so it needed 312MHz. I was surprised how well the flame played it at that slow speed.
Which by the way shows how well autostep handles things at such low speeds. And it also shows how well the flame will run regular programs at 312MHz!!!!!!! and one more!

Now, 3:30 minutes may seem low but it really is not compared to what I put the thing through. Its right up ther with the HTC athena which will probably do the same but at its highest speed. BUT, the flame does not need 520MHz to run things well, and you could hardly notice its running on 312MHz. Unless you have tons of things running on the today screen which is a big mistake for any ppc, keep it SIMPLE.

Now I will try the same things on the built in 520MHz (without autostep) once the battery is fully charged. I doubt I will go that far.
I'm even thinking that if I would to put the flame on 520MHz using autostep it will give me better battery life than the built in "speed adjuster".
But, the flame does not need 520, 312 is perfect using auostep!

I hope you guys try autostep, dont be afraid it works great!

P.S I messed up on the time, it was 3:30 minutes not 15 minutes.

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flame on o2 · 2008-05-09 00:56:52

gmontem wrote:
My Flame (Qwerty WM6 + EFN fixes) always hangs if I select anything faster than 208MHz. I lost count to how many times I rebooted the device to try again.

Try autostep and put the flame on AUTO in the cpu peformace tab on power setting.....

Make sure the other speed scale stuff is not running than launch auto step and set it to anything you want.
IF it hangs it has to be software you got installed. Mine is running great, if I can get a god fix to run the 8gb card without problems I will kee the flame!
Even so I'm thinking twice about selling it. I really like how the flame runs on autostep 312MHz. It runs awsome on 624 as well for those power users outhere.

gmontem · 2008-05-09 01:12:57

Very strange but it works now after uninstalling and reinstalling autostep. I don't remember what else I've done other than remove PocketCM keyboard. Can't seem to use that SIP anymore, even with the SIPChange and soft-reset trick mentioned in this forum.

jaslyn · 2008-05-09 04:34:01

Can you please share with us (me) how you under clocked the flame? - I dare say if I searched i could find the info but I am very busy and a bit lazy(!) if it is possible for you to tell me direct I'm sure it will help others who may also be interested. i have never gotten into over/under clocking my pc or pda so a bit green in that area. Thanks.

I use Pocket Hack Master.... It can be set ranging from 104 MHz - 728 MHz... but our flame can only be up to 663mhz... Tried to perform burning test for 728mhz (just for benchmarking test) while im clocked at 663mhz and flame freezzzz.... Its Hot while freezing its not free but i dont dare to say its worth buying since there's other offering for free... However, this PHM can automaticly be set to clock higher on selected application eg. media player to get better fps.... So you dont need to set ur cpu at high clock 24/7 which may drained ur batt like hell.... here's d link...

http://www.pocketgear.com/en_US/html/di … rod5701265

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jaslyn · 2008-05-09 04:37:40

By the way, clocking flame up to 663mhz or 624mhz runs Sonic Hedgs game (with emulator) at superb quality and speed....

terrykb · 2008-05-09 07:31:16

Thanks for your full and detailed explanation. I guess I'll check it out and give it a try when its 'playtime' again! WM6.1 with EFN's Mod Reg give me reasonable battery life - I was surprised, but any extra would be welcome

EFN · 2008-05-10 04:26:53

flame on o2 wrote:
Here's the link to autostep, scroll down and click on the link. You dont need to register,I THINK.

http://pdaphonehome.com/forums/samsung- … ility.html

REMEMBER to set the CPU performace to AUTO in the power settings of the flame.

EFN, so far the app makes the flame move pretty quick set at 208MHz! And TCPMP has confirmed that the MHz speeds that is set with autostep is on spot.
This is a very SIMPLE app like the wm6 version you want to make "simple." AND, it will save alot of the battery.

I'm testing it now playing ROBOTS which is a 1:30 minutes movie. Set on 208MHz and playing the movie on 16:9 and using video driver GAPI.
Screen light set to the 3rd bar from left.
Lets see far the battery drains from 100%.

Thanks for this. I'll play around with it for sure.

EFN · 2008-05-19 03:41:38

UPDATE:

I am in the final stages of completing TWO flavors of release....one WM6.0 and another WM6.1. For the whole week I have been doing tons of testings with my two WWE builds and the GOOD news is I have been able to fix some of the most prominent problem with GPRS/3G reconnection/stability issue. Now I am tweaking here and there and both WM6.0 and 6.1 should be ready for release soon. Most importantly, the builds will incldude all the relevant fixes we have discovered so far. So no more SBs, no more Active Sync issues...etc. But I did not touch on the MMS part because the ones included by O2 is so flaky that it didn't even work properly on official WM5

I have to say I am very thankful to Devictoria for his superb Kitchen (works like a charm with WM6.x with some modification of course). Again as I already intended earlier, the ROMs that I am going to release are plain Vanillas. As clean and simple as they can be so that the user will have a lot of room to tweak them as they please.

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